Hmm, interesting start.
I just wonder: does Grimbold truly believe her tales of her clumsiness or can't he intervene (for whatever reason). He would not seem a man to stand by and watch an obvious abuse: even if he had no proof and the victim denied it, I would have expected him to speak up... but maybe he did so?
Or am I running in the totally wrong direction? ;-)
Ah, well ... sorry, I'm already forestalling again, me and my bad habits ;-)
Anyway, glad to be the first to comment on the third part, keep it up!
Author's Response: You always have interesting thoughts...keep them on hand as the answers may come in the future. Yes, Grimbold is a good and observant man however, things are not always as the seem; no one wants to think the worst and if Mouse says she is clumsy...perhaps she actually is; if it is abuse, often the victim will still defend the abuser...nothing is ever that simple... Glad to have caught your interest again! More soon ~G
He is perfect for her, got to love him! And Frearid, too. I think I didn't quite change my opinion, he is my favorite in this story. BUT noone surpasses ELDER GUTKNECHT ;-)
I would be curious as to the fate of the advisor though... I am not sure if you are going to include that in the following chapter, but I wondered how hard the Rohirrim in your story would punish such a crime.
Author's Response: I was going to 'deal' with the advisor in this fic, but that would have made things drag and I am kinda trying to keep this within Tolkien's timeline (and I was trying to avoiding epic length stories) I may still do a little one shot just to give him his just deserts...I do not believe it to be a capital offense, but it will not be just a slap on the hand. I'll have to think about that. As it is I am struggling with getting Éomer’s story written and that needs to be done so this series can be complete.
I like the flow of the story now, the gentleness of their relationship's progress. It really fits nicer to the story line than the fiery yet remarkably unoriginal development that most stories display.
And yesss, I still like Frearid best. Now I can add 'refreshing honesty' to his character traits ;-)
And there is something else I noticed: you always seem to try and give even the minor characters fitting (or befitting ;-) ) names instead of calling them 'soldier' or 'a lady'. I like that. Just where do you get those names from?
Author's Response: Thank you! I am a romantic and I like the building of the relationship--the foreplay more than the "they are together now jump into bed". Even the scene in Dúnadan’s Daughter was about more than just sex. Since these two are young, I think they would need the get to know each other time...especially given her recent past. I am glad you like Fréarid! He is a fine young man and someday will make a great captain, I am sure. I am hoping that you might also come to like Hesgar (even if he is competition). he also has honest feeling towards Éalwyn. I like to name characters unless they show up only once or they are...hmmm...to be shown in a specific light. For example in a fic a I wrote called Sight Unseen, I left a she-elf nameless as she was not "important" though she tried to be. It also helps give them dimension and actually make it clearer in writing. Lots of he's and she's and the woman or the rider start to make the text muddled--not sure who's who. I spend a lot of time looking through books and websites and picking friends brains. For the Rohirrim, i used an online gaming site and my old English text books since Tolkien kinda fashioned them from old Anglo-Saxon cultures (that is where Colmáse came from--old English) The Council of Elrond and my Sindarin Language book is where I go for elf names. Tolkien gave us wonderful, beautiful characters and if I am going to even hope to write something worthy of the master, in his world, I believe I need to put forth the effort. I am glad that it works! And yes, most names have a meaning and it usually fits their persona (heck, even my pen name has a meaning and it fits me ;) Hope you continue to like where this goes and how the characters grow! ~G
Sweet. Those two teasers ;-)
But at least they now start to show their affections more openly now. I didn't think though that Erkenbrand would have gone to Cynwen for advise, but it seems a reasonable enough choice...
And again: nice how the stories overlap!
Author's Response: Thanks! I am trying to keep them all tied together...the stories...not the characters! lol He needed to go to some one who knew about these things and would not judge or gossip or make him feel stupid. I think he felt close to Lady Cynwen since they talked after Ealwyn was beat. A woman know what a woman wants...plus it worked out well since they both sought advice from the same person--in some ways she was given leave to meddle, and trust me...she did...very well! I will be posting more tonight (need to proof and fix what came back from my beta) As a side note....Hesgar's story is coming along nicely and should be ready for my Beta before the end of the weekend! ~G
Ugh! Shopping... how I hate that ;-)
But it's high time someone would do something about her wardrobe, I guess. Though Cynwen already gave her a nudge in the right direction.
I liked Aglaril very much and that Gamling and she are so at ease with showing their affection openly. I must confess that I am usually more fond of the self-confident personalities, and the blacksmith's daughter is more playing to that inclination than the captain's daughter (although I know it can't be helped with Ealwyn's past and all that).
Which makes me realise: it is rather ironic that your series is called the SONS of Rohan, yet every story is called the ...'s DAUGHTER ;-)
But poor Eomer. Now that you made him sound so lonely and sulky I do hope that his story is coming soon. I like him too much to see/read him like this ;-)
Anyway: nice and well-written chapter with much love for the little details :-)
Author's Response: Agalril is definately confident...but keep in mind that Ealwyn is only 22-23; there is a BIG age difference. However, Ealwyn is gaining some confidence thanks to the more settled women. The titles were done on purpose. Yes, it is a series about the Son's of Rohan, but it is the daughter's that capture their hearts...it will all tie together in the very last little tale...when they have all found love. I have Hesgar's story about ready to send off to the beta and I am hoping to work on Eomers tonight. I have several chapteres, but I often write out of order so now I have to tie them all togather! Glad you are enjoying this--it was hard for me to write as the character's are young and I am well...lets just say I am closer to Gamling and Elfhelm in age! lol More to post soon as I just got it back from my Beta (she is so awesome!!) ~G
That did please me :-), thank you very much!
Such a beautiful description of her appearance. It somehow made me remember a scene from the musical Rebecca which is based on Hitchcock's Rebecca. Right before the masquerade ball when she dresses up and sings (roughly translated):
Stardust in my hair.
Fairy tail or true?
I look at me and can't believe it.
This woman in the mirror is that truly me?
Just that here, there is no rude awakening... ;-)
And then: that was so typically Elfhelm, made me smile actually. It's also nice to have all three couples together now and see them interact so warmly. I never really expected them to know each other in the end, yet alone be so close friends.
Eomer has a wicked sense of humor (that I like very much ;-) ) and he couldn't have known how his joke would be regarded, so it's not really his fault and he handled the situation very well I think.
Now everything seems to come out all right and Erkenbrand and Ealwyn are getting comfortable with their growing affection, finally. The trip together did some good then and I guess Cynwen will be mightily pleased ;-)
~ Massanie ~
PS: if Hesgar's story is finished now, does that mean that I can be nasty again to anyone I like in my story because you can't harm my favorite anymore? ;-)
Author's Response: I really wanted the stories to entertwine...glad it is working. Elfhelm is Elfhelm and that will never change. As for Hesgar...his tale might be written, but is not yet posted AND Eomer still has his story and well, woundn't want any kind of an accident, now would we? You just make Erestor better (and give him some loving?) and all will be well... ~G
I must admit I became a little bit, a tiny little bit (... a little bit more than normal for a sane person...) giddy reading your chapter comment, and then to have it end like this... You tease! But I'll have my revenge! You just wait ;-)
Funny to see how confident she got there, had me smirking ;-). Probably did her a world of good to realise how much "power" she held in her own right over Erkenbrand, finally seeing they are equal and not behaving as if he was above her.
Having him beg! ... little cheeky minx at last, that's what I love about the ladies in your stories ;-)
Author's Response: you make me smile! Thank you. You know, when I wrote this I was not thinking about empowering her as such but you are right; she was in control of him. She is breaking out of her jail and life is good. As for the chapter ending...I'll leave it up to your imagination. There are only 2 chapters left in this one...perhaps I will post one tonight and the other tomorrow. Then Hesgar will have a little aside while I work on Eomer's story! Hang one tight! ~G
A very sweet and very fitting ending. I liked the grave-scene, considering how much she adored and missed her father. He'd probably be proud of her ... which makes me pondering the question again about where the Secondborn go after death. It's just so reassuring for the elves to have Mandos, such a comfortable thought. Oh damn, I'm getting somewhat wistful again, sorry ... ;-)
I guess it will still take a while until all the scars of the past will fade into nothingness for Ealwyn, but she's on her way.
;-) And now Aglaril, Gamling, Arathea and Elfhelm can come for the next wedding. And Eomer is probably going to sulk a little bit more. God, I wish him happy.
But now I'm looking forward to my favorite finding the mind-blowing joy in his life just as he deserves! And mind you, I'm not settling for less ;-)
Author's Response: Glad you like the ending. it is my belief that the secondborn (as is evident by Theoden's comments about going to the table/halls of his forfathers) beleive in a spiritual realm of some sort. Therefore, Ealwyn might feel that her father can "see" her from the otherside and Erkenbrand was in fact asking for her betrothal before her father. I did leave this open (for a wedding or such) but I do not plan on returning to this tale at this time---still have to finish Eomer's and I have a sequel to an evish slash that has been sitting for a year or more. So, You will have to just image the rest although when all the stories in this series are done, I will have a one chapter culmination of how they all come together so to speak. I hope you will not be disappointed with Hesgar's tale. As it was not part of the original plan (as he is not canon) it is really a little aside to this end of this tale. However, I think it fits perfectly with who Hesgar is...off to start posting! see you there... ~G
I don't want to be rude, or something. But I still have to say: YOU HAD ME GIGGLING! DO YOU KNOW HOW *UNDIGNIFIED* THAT IS?
Me, *giggling*? An evil smirk - okay. A devilish grin - nothing against that. A sarcastic chuckle - yeah, all right, that too. Even a heartfelt laugh. BUT GIGGLING? Hell, I have lost all self-respect... I'll blame you for that ;-)
hmmm ... I think I'll try calling out 'yay' once again, instead! Though I lost count of my yays somewhere during this series... ;-) ... I'll blame you for that, too ;-)
And I still like the miller. I was so cheering him on in the eulogies he held, didn't I say Hesgar was the most eligible bachelor in Rohan? Well, not for much longer, I suppose, but that's all right since that was what I wished for all along!
Thank you once again for indulging me like this, I really loved the chapter and the story! A series worth reading so far :-) Now if you give me a sweet little epilogue and a happy Eomer there is nothing left to wish for ... but alas I'm already anticipating the hardships you'll put my new most-eligible-bachelor through (since Hesgar is now unavailable).
Be nice, please! Eomer has already suffered during the stories of your series, have a little bit mercy, will you? I know, that sounds so hypocritical coming from me, but it's worth trying, isn't it?
Keep it up!
Author's Response: Blame away...I proudly take credit although you got me back as I could not hide the smile as I read this and my kids wanted to know what was so amusing!! And "Yay's" are also good. The Miller has softened a bit, he is after all a rational man and Hesgar is a GOOD man; you got what you wanted--he has the girl so to speak (of course there is still the epilogue!) So I have the epilogue written and at my Beta so I will post it as soon as I get it back---then I will start posting Eomer's tale (it is still not done and I do not usually start posting till it is but...). So hang tight for a couple of days and the tale will continue. And Fear not--Eomer has suffered enough so I will be a little nicer to him (although he does have to deal with a long distance romance since his pairing is Canon). Thanks again!! ~G
I like the miller. I really do. Yes, he is overly protective, but he knows that the day will come, when his *little flower* grows up and he accepts that. He is stubborn, but not too stubborn to accept help or to reconsider an opinion he has had for ages.
...Just thinking: I would have loved to hear Frearid's comment (or see his grin) when Hesgar asked him to keep an eye out for her ;-). While Hesgar probably tried to reason that she is an underage girl in need of protection, I think Frearid would have known it was more than that. I can imagine his smirk and Hesgar's grumbled response ;-) priceless...
Author's Response: Thank you. I tried to make the Miller a believable Dad and even the most protective Dad know deep down that his little girl will grow up. If he's done his job, she might just find a decent husband. I think given what Hesgar has been through Frearid might cut him a little slack, but I am sure there were pleanty of snickers and open jaws as Hesgar 'worked' for the miller! Only one more chapter and maybe an epilogue left. Just got the first chapter's of Eomer's story back from my beta :)
Awww. He is a grumbling old man but at the same time so sweet! It's almost cute how he tries to keep up the semblance of crabbiness ;-)
It was also quite endearing to see the normally confident Hesgar so nervous. He could probably have went about it more gracefully or something but I guess it was just ... right ... like this. Must have meant the world to the miller to be present during the proposal and Lilium is not one for elaborate and contrived settings but more for honest and heartfelt words and gestures, so Hesgar and Lilium are indeed perfect for each other and I am glad that they ended up together. Nice ending!
One thing more that I had to smile over - and since you also like Loreena McKennit I think you might appreciate this - all throughout the story whenever I read the expression "the miller's daughter" I had to think of that song "The Bonny Swans", you know how it sais "...the miller's daughter, dressed in red...", and all the time I secretly waited for Lilium to dress like that and I wondered if you had thought of this... now finally she has and I keep wondering ;-)
Author's Response: That song did inspire both the title and the dress...glad someone caught that! They are a perfect match and I am happy you encouraged me to do this little aside. Now however they will fade into Rohan and we shan't see them again in this tale. Thanks for sticking with me and hang on tight for Eomer's tale! ~G
Yeah I did. First thing I wondered: how the heck did you notice him? Must be the difference between those favouring the Firstborn and those favouring the Secondborn. Whenever I see the camera wandering over the soldiers standing there, my eyes are trained to theelves :D
Handsome guy, though; must be the only man looking confidant and almost happy when facing superior forces of Orcs and other monsters. how does he do that? Must have been some kind of madness ... but then, it would be a rather fitting kind of behaviour for Hesgar, wouldn't it?
And I am really honoured that this story kinda sprouted from my obsessive eulogies about his person ;-)
But maybe you would have devoted him a little tale of his own given time and space. I like to think so
Author's Response: Oh trust me! I noticed the elves first--this is after all my first attempt at human writing. All my other stuff is elf and slash! What I remember is the look of awe and (like you said) confidence on his face. It is like he thinks they now have a chance. The image came after the character though--when I decided to give him a fic, I went looking for an image. If it were not for you Hesgar would not have a fic. I had intended to only have 4 stories (canon males with OFC) but your thoughts and comments inspired me. So, thank you my dear muse :) ~G
Indeed very enjoyable ;-)
Ah, I so love him ...
Her father not liking the eored could become a problem (or her age), but ... hopefully not?
She might not be confident enough to go against her father's wishes (note that I am trying to understand the women in medieval times for a change - not that I am doing a good job of it ... ;-) )
Frearid reminds me a little bit of Elfhelm with his jovial way, like him, too :D
I'm wondering though what chaos you are planning to put him through, but remember I have still three elves in a precarious situation to torture in return ;-)
Author's Response: hmmm...yah, that whole Scarred Fate thing...I will keep it in mind. While I will not write underage stuff, I am sure that women had suitors or arranged marriages before they were actually able to enjoy more...physical relationships. So fear not! Or dear Hesgar shall not be involved with any underage stuff!! I think it is a good thing Frearid is married or there would be another story--lol So now off to read your update and hopefully later tonight I will get another update of this out to you! BTW--Did you check out the image of Hesgar?
Ah yes. Pride. It can very suddenly and unexpectedly turn out to be your greatest enemy. And her father is a very proud man, so I am glad that he accepted the help in the end. For a moment I thought he wouldn't. He seems to be rather bitter and set in his ways. But then again, a father is entitled to some protectiveness, isn't he?
And Lilium: "just got warm"? uh-huh...
And thanks for taking the time and writing this story, I think it is very well done and I love the idea of seeing him happy with a sweet lady like her.
Author's Response: You are very welcome. I enjoyed this one. The miller is set in his ways and the only think sometimes more protective than a father is a brother; the miller's sister had her heart broken by a rider...and now one is sniffing around his daughter...Oh I'd say is is very wary! Now what was Lilium supposed to say to a 5 year old? "I got horny"? yah, in this story our dear rider knows who he wants and the girl wants him...now they just have to get Da okay with it...oh, and she needs to come of age before anything physical happens. So sweat....*snort* ~G
@Frearid: he sure knows how to pick them? I'd rather say: my favorite one is rightfully picky! :P
But oh my, he is so sweet in his obviousness... I mean, coming there the next day without friendly company, observing her the entire evening and rushing out after her... he sure needs to learn a little bit about subtleness. But then again, his brazen behaviour is part of his charms, so...
And he never denied her comment about his intentions either ...
;-) God, he is so hopelessly besotted with her already ;-) I just know, it's going to be fun watching/reading this
Author's Response: He is obvious (like young men can be) however, the tavern is busy and Lilium does not usually venture far from the bar and kitchen so she probably does not even notice him. And I have had gentlemen leave a gathering when I attempted to leave alone--in the dark--to walk home and the guy was not even interested in me THAT way so I thought it would work nicely here. He is however, fairly confident though lacking the ego. No, he never really denied the implication but as she was already embarrassed that she spoke such a thing out loud, he just let it go. Keep in mind she is 17 (in a time and place where women were not so outspoken) Besotted--that is an awesome word and he is...to bad her Da is not so besotted with him hanging around! Oh what will the boy do? ~G
Ah, so I see you still like to play with the image of Arathea and Eomer (I still think they would have been good for another. But hey, who am I to object Arathea *and* Eomer get to be happy in the end?)
And Erestor would certainly have been proud of his daughter. Graceful and ever in control even when - compared to him - she is so young. But the image of Erestor came to my mind: how he would have reacted to hearing Beriedis' characterisation of the Rohirrim and how he would have squelched her in such a way that noone would later be able to accuse him of discourtesy. He would choke her with words, silence her with wit and knowledge always with a small smile or a smirk that would clearly tell her of his superiority ... *sigh*, I love him ;-)
But I'm drifting off again. Nice chapter!
I think living with Eomer will in the end be a salvation for Lothiriel. Getting away from the expectations of the court in Gondor, being able to live more carefree...
Author's Response: I keep going back to the other stories to keep everything chronological order and like to connect them somehow. Arathea is going to be one connection. I love your description of how Erestor would handle Beriedis! lol it's perfect. The interesting thing is that at this point...Thea does not even know Erestor is her father. Well, a few more snippets and then things will flow a bit more smoothly...plot wise, not story wise. For all the good Lady Beriedis means, it will make things hard for Lothiriel for quite some time and Éomer miserable but he is a smart boy...he'll work around her.
Hehe... Arwen, our little mischievous, manipulative minx. I love her!
Lady Beriedis is so not going to like this. The poor lady will probably think it a slight to *her* integrity... ;-)
But poor Eomer. Someone *has* to inform him quickly! Or he will be so withdrawn towards Lothiriel which will make her confused and miserable in turn...
Author's Response: Arwen and the twins meddling...nope not really a bright idea and yep, Beriedis will figure it out. As for Eomer...well, he really should quite over hearing things don't you think? Well, it should be an interesting wedding at any rate.
oh, how I *love* Elrohír. Diplomatic yet mischievous... I am glad though they didn't send Elladan. That would have been something!
Beriedis will get a heart attack one day, I'm almost sure, poor lady. She's jumping to conclusions rather quickly, doesn't she?
I wonder what Lothiriel's brother would have to say to Beriedis meddling with his love life! I would think that in contrast to Lothiriel they would be self-confident enough to rebel...
Hey: what does a chaperone do if their charge is married? Will they simply try to take on another child to care for (most likely case, isn't it?) or will they be provided for by the family of their last charge or maybe join the household to further help the one they cared for?
Nice chapter, I wonder what Aragorn is going to say to his foster-family's scheming...
Author's Response: Yah, Elladan is often portrayed as more impaulsive and brash than his brother. I assure you Beriedis will not have a heart attack (though many may be hoping) Amrothos would chuckle at her comment and remind her that his father is alive and well so he has no need for her services. Now as to what happens, all your suggestions are very good. My initial thought had been that they would be free to pursue what every they wished although many might have remained on hand to help over see the nobles house or nanny for the children. Beriedis' fate will be revealed later. Aragorn would not really be thrilled and would rather not now as he does not want a national/political incident! I pretty sure he will be rolling his eyes when he finally catches on.
Nice chapter, I can really sympathize with Eomer but his dislike for all the formalities and court life won't make it any easier for him.
But I guess the help of three mischievous half-elves who are well over 2700 years old should compensate for that ;-)
Author's Response: *laughs wickedly* They may over 2700 years old...but meddling is meddling and it never goes as planned... Eomer does dislike or rather is very unfamiliar with the day to day aspects of court life. It often makes him look rough around the edges but he is no fool and he is learning how to play the political games. Just got the next couple of chapters back so we will see how it goes. Just remember...things are never quite what the seem (at least in my stories) *wicked laugh*
huh, now I feel I should apologize for the last comment. Didn't I say something about me speaking first and regretting later? yeah well... *sigh* ... I'm sorry!
I thought of deleting the comment and writing a new one but I think the first reaction, the honest reaction of a reader is of greatest importance for an author, so I'll leave it...
With the explanation Faramir gives, the behavior of Imrahil, Lothiriel and even Beriedis are rather understandable and realistic. Looking back in history we can always see examples of societies who think themselves superior. So much the more surprising that Lothiriel turned out the way she did, not adapting her chaperone's opinions.
Enough of that for now: I was so smiling over Eomer's letter. He made himself quite vulnerable, telling her so openly about his feelings. But what actually made me smile was that I don't think that this made him uncomfortable. I think it needs a very strong personality to be able to show one's weakness and be self-confident at the same time. Most eligible bachelor of Rohan. Ha! Imrahil should be overjoyed that Lothiriel caught his attention! ... sorry, that were my fingers moving of their own volition again ;-)
Author's Response: I am SO happy you did not delete the other comment! That is what I try to do with my writing...evoke reactions and then, justify it all. Therefore there is no need to appologize. While Lothiriel has Lady Beriedis (who I might add really is not old) she does have 3 brothers who love her and help buffer. Well, you will have to wait for my little plot change and who knows...maybe I'll change my mind again and keep it as is...but I think I like the new direction and twist...more soon! ~G